Author John Robbins, Other Progressives Denounce ‘Thrive’

The Santa Cruz–based author is joined by Deepak Chopra and others in a statement distancing themselves from the film.

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by Eric Johnson on Apr 10, 2012

John Robbins says filmmaker Foster Gamble, a friend of his, is "naive" about the political consequences of his new film 'Thrive.'

Last fall, the acclaimed environmentalist and nutrition guru John Robbins was invited to the home of his friends Foster and Kimberly Carter Gamble, near Santa Cruz, to view the Gambles’ just-completed film, Thrive. Robbins, who makes a brief appearance in the film, says he was “overwhelmed” by what he saw.

“There were parts I liked, but there were other parts that I just detested,” he recalls. “I didn’t want to be rude—we were there with our families—so I just didn't say anything.”

Thrive, which was released online in November and had its theater debut at the Del Mar last month, is an uncanny hodgepodge of pseudo-science, Utopian fantasy and veiled right-wing conspiracy theory. Strangely, it also includes onscreen interviews with a number of bona fide progressives, environmentalists and spiritual leaders.

In addition to Robbins, author of the groundbreaking Diet for a New Americain 1987, the film features conversations with Deepak Chopra, the superstar self-help author; Paul Hawken, the green entrepreneur and environmental economist; Elisabet Sahtouris, the evolutionary biologist and philosopher; Duane Elgin, the futurist and author of Voluntary Simplicity; Vandana Shiva, the physicist and advocate for sustainable agriculture; and former astronaut Edgar Mitchell.

In the months since the film’s release, Robbins says, he has been in communication with all of these folks. He wasn’t surprised to find that many of them agreed with his assessment of the film.

While they might have hoped the film would just disappear, Thrivehas become something of a Web cult phenomenon—by  some estimates it’s been seen by more than 1 million people. And now they have decided to speak out.

In a just-released statement, Robbins, Chopra, Hawken, Sahtouris, Elgin, Shiva and Mitchell write that they have “grave disagreements” with some parts of the film.

“We are dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided. We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.”

Update, April 13: Two more progressives who make appearances in "Thrive" have added their names to the letter denouncing the film: Amy Goodman, the host of public radio's "Democracy Now," and John Perkins, author of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."

Talking about Thrive last week, Robbins enumerated a long list of complaints. Much of his critique is centered on the film’s politics. 

“Foster says he’s not advancing a political agenda,” Robbins says, “but his sources certainly are.”

Robbins is particularly galled by the presence of G. Edward Griffin and David Icke—both of whom who are featured prominently in the film and on the Gambles’ elaborate website (thrivemovement.com). Griffin is a prominent member of the ultra-right-wing John Birch Society, while Icke has one-upped the world’s most ambitious conspiracy theorists with his notion that the world’s secret rulers are actually descended from a hybrid species of evil half-human “Reptilians.” (Ironically—or hypocritically—neither of these facts is revealed in Thrive.)

Both Griffin and Icke have long defended themselves against charges of anti-Semitism with needle-threading arguments pointing out that while the enemy is decidedly Zionist, it is only coincidentally Jewish. Similarly, although his movie echoes Joseph Goebbels’ The Eternal Jew, Gamble insists in Thrivethat the conspiracy he describes “is not a Jewish agenda.”

But Robbins isn't buying that. He says that in private correspondence, he learned that his friend was being influenced by the ideas of Eustace Mullins, whom he calls “the most anti-Semitic public figure in U.S. history.”

Foster Gamble did not respond to an email request for an interview to respond, but there is certainly evidence in Thrivethat Mullins’ views influenced him. One of the central features of the film is the supposed revelation that the Federal Reserve Bank is a criminal enterprise; Mullins is the man who gave birth to that theory, in his 1952 book  The Secret of the Federal Reserve.

The following year, Mullins published his most notorious tract, "Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation," which praises the Fuhrer for his crusade against the “Jewish International bankers” who were attempting to take over the world. In subsequent books, Mullins argued that the Holocaust never happened and that the Jewish race is inherently “parasitic.” Incredibly, Mullins also insisted until his death that he was not an anti-Semite.

Robbins does not in any way accuse Gamble of bigotry—but rather of dangerous naievete. “Foster isn’t anti-Semitic,” Robbins says, “but he is listening deeply to and promulgating the ideas of Eustace Mullins.”

 

Privilege and Responsibility

In issuing their statement distancing themselves from Thrive, Robbins and his colleagues point out that they are “dismayed” that the Gambles refused to let them know what the film was about until the time of its public release. In interviews with the Weeklyseveral weeks ago, Paul Hawken and Elisabet Sahtouris both said Foster Gamble misrepresented the film when he asked them to participate.

Robbins says it’s clear that Gamble used him and the others to draw people to Thrive. He is distressed that the film weaves progressive ideas into its paranoid, radical libertarian narrative. But he stops short of accusing Gamble of deliberately deceiving his audience.

“Foster is extremely naïve about the political consequences of his film,” Robbins concludes.

But how could someone be so naïve? Robbins says he is in a unique position to be able to answer that question.

“The bubble of entitlement that he has lived in is almost impossible to understand if you haven’t lived in it.”

As it happens, John Robbins and Foster Gamble have lived uncannily parallel lives. Robbins was born heir to the Baskin-Robbins ice cream fortune, and Gamble was born heir to the Proctor & Gamble cosmetics fortune. Both men rejected the destinies their families had chosen for them, and both moved to Santa Cruz.

Although the men would later become friends, a couple of crucial decisions set them on very different paths. In the early 1980s, Robbins decided to disinherit himself from his family’s wealth. After his Diet for a New America, which wedded personal and environmental health, was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he went on to live a very public life, writing books and heading organizations advocating for the environment and a plant-based diet. His newest book, No Happy Cows: Dispatches from the Frontlines of the Food Revolution, was published April 1.

Gamble also walked away from his family’s business, but chose to accept his inheritance—and use it to go on the personal quest which led him to the series of extraordinary conclusions documented in Thrive.

Robbins points what he sees as a crucial error in Thrive, which he believe is the result of a blind spot caused by Gamble’s “bubble.”

“Foster wants us to follow the money, and leads us to a group of obscenely wealthy families using their extravagant wealth for ill,” he says. “But nowhere in his film does he mention the Koch brothers.”

Robbins points out that David and Charles Koch, the multi-billionaire heirs of the second-largest privately held company in the nation, who are using their vast wealth to bankroll the radical right, espouse the same libertarian agenda promoted by Thrive.  (He also points out that their father, Fred C. Koch, was one of the founding members of the John Birch Society.)

Like many progressives, Robbins sees the Koch brothers as two of the most dangerous men in American politics.

“If you want to follow the money, it leads to the Koch brothers,” he says, “If Foster had gone after them. I’d be right there with him.”

 

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Hollywood Tomfortas Wed, Apr 11, 2012 - 12:40 pm

Please visit the Thrive-Debunked blog for a wider perspective of problems created by the movie THRIVE.

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

lookagain Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 1:58 pm

This website is obviously biased. I am all for criticism and skepticism but the content of that site has an agenda all it’s own.

In example: the “debunking” of crop circles while sounding very sciencey omits the majority of the data found by crop circle researchers and offers the flimsy excuse that crop circles are made by humans for advertising puropses! Give me a break.

Ever a cursory review of the actual evidence put up against this flimsy attempt at psuedo-skepticism will show the arguments presented hold no water.


REader beware.

Old Nick Fri, Apr 13, 2012 - 1:03 pm

The debunking continues into the comments section where you find illuminating discussions on the kind of people who collect crop circle data and how and why they present it.
If you’re all for criticism and skepticism then by all means give it a read.

LeeW Wed, Apr 18, 2012 - 7:27 am

What fascinates me about this site, and the people buying into its biased and unfounded ramblings, is that the identity of the author is nowhere to be seen yet some people buy into it as credible. This is the most important discussion of our times - wouldn’t you think that someone like this would reveal their identity publicly to legitimize their claims?  Wouldn’t you think that the people reading it would require it? Sadly, no. Which just leads you to the question - Who is funding the debunker and how can anyone afford to spend so much time researching and writing this stuff on a continual basis? To give ultimate credit to Foster, he’s completely transparent and squeaky clean. Everyone knows who he is, where he stands and he is ready, open and willing to take any conversation public at any time. This shows the confidence and commitment he has to his cause. It is also a clear indication of integrity.

Hollywood Tomfortas Thu, May 03, 2012 - 7:17 am

Lee, you’re such an obsequious toad-flack, but I like you. 

Hey, have you tried on your Thriveteer Torus hat yet?  We still need feedback on the best design for the opening.  In order to look like the proper torus model in THRIVE, the hole has to be really small. But that’s way too turban-like and makes everyone look like they belong to a Sufi cult. On the other hand, if we make the opening bigger, it does fit the head better, but then starts looking like a balloon toy headband.

Surely there are good design people on the THRIVE team who could help out.


OMG, aikido you not, Lee!  When I went to submit this post, I had to answer the following question:

The Disney cartoon character Mickey is what kind of animal? (5 characters required)

Mark Wed, Apr 11, 2012 - 6:31 pm

Thank you for your courage in writing this article.

That’s the same Foster Gamble who interfered with people trying to stop the LBAM spraying over Santa Cruz a few years ago.

That’s not a misprint. Gamble founded the group called CASS that was supposed to be against the spraying.

But he kept harassing a bunch of kind hearted people who were actually working effectively to stop the spraying. Some of them quit because of his interference.

It seemed as though he wanted to be in charge so he could prevent anyone from actually stopping the spraying.

Franklin And Marshall T-Shirt Wed, Apr 11, 2012 - 11:39 pm

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a deep ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair

Foster Gamble Sun, Apr 22, 2012 - 3:48 pm

Mark - To correct your facts, I was one of many founders of CASS. I worked 8 hours a day for 6 months (in addition to another 8 on THRIVE) to stop the spray.
Our THRIVE Solutions Sector Model was beneficial in organizing the efforts of folks with expertise in Science, Health, Education, Justice, Arts, Economics and other Sectors. The only thing I encouraged against was some people who thought that a ballot initiative would be our best protection. Really? People get to vote on whether or not toxins and endocrine disruptors get sprayed from planes for up to 10 years on 7 million individuals, creatures and gardens - when sickness and deaths were occurring within days? To thrive, inalienable rights need to come first - before some kind of majority rule. Just ask the dissenter in a lynch mob - if they can still talk.

KSimone Mon, Nov 19, 2012 - 1:54 pm

Mr. Gamble I am watching your documentary for the first time. I’m about 40 mins in and already find some fascinating info that you’ve put forth.  I am not a PHD nor a scholar, yet a few of the ideas here align with my own theories. Thank You for putting your energy into this work and I hope that on your path to truth you remain steadfast and patient. Don’t give up.

I want to ask you about the article above. Why do you think Robbins and Chopra etc distanced themselves?

Eugene Allen Sun, Apr 29, 2012 - 11:20 am

Mark your posting is nonsense .  I also remember this event and your statement is a lie. Plain and simple.Foster was in the middle of making Thrive and added to that work load so he could do what…. your statement doesn’t make any sense.

Human as you Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 6:03 am

Just look at all the bills Obama has signed in the last 4 months basically abolishing our constitution and bill of rights, we are right no track to One World Government, funny how this person points out to certain people not being part of the mainstream, I mean! heck everyone knows the “mainstream” is nothing but a manipulated scripted theater.  60% fall in viewership of “mainstream” media in the last 4 months should give you an idea of the awakening that is happening.  Some people will simply not wake up, not even when they come knocking at their door and are led into the trains… they will believe it is being done for their “safety”.
Blessings and love to all

iheartubuntu.com Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 8:22 am

While much can be said either way about the movie Thrive, the point of the movie is to get people thinking instead of being focused on what is on TV during prime time hours.

The critical reviews I am now reading around the internet are pretty basic as far as I can see. Complaints about things Foster says creates “leaps” leading to more questions. Really? This is the point of the movie. Get people to think, ask questions and find their own answers.

With the gigantic number of Americans dumbed down on mind numbing pharmaceuticals (10% of the US military is now on some form of anti-depressant) someone has to ask the basic questions Foster asked. Any businessman will know the answers all wont be in the first film, leading to a second film. Isnt that assumption almost a given? Why didnt John Robbins write EVERYTHING about nutrition all in ONE book? He choose to sell several books instead. Do you get my point? Robbins is highly critical of Gamble on this, yet Robbins does the exact same thing.

You know this is all really petty. Foster does not have to clearly spell out “Koch Brothers” in his film. Doing some research as recommended in the movie will ultimately lead you straight to the Koch Brothers.

If Foster misrepresented the film and its points to the disgruntled group I agree that was incredibly stupid and wrong. But, How was it misrepresented? I think to be fair to Foster Gamble this should be written out in full detail how Robbins and others feel they were misrepresented.

So how did it go exactly Mr Robbins? Foster asked you to be in a movie about free energy and how ideas could become actions if we just start waking up? He also told you he was going to cover the big banks? And you agreed and did the interview right? And then whats next? You found out people like David Icke were also in the film and your political agendas dont match Fosters agendas so now you are angry and feel misrepresented?

Did you not ask Foster the right questions? Who else would be interviewed for the film, What are the main points being covered, is there anything that could be deemed controversial, and so on. Dont you have some burden at all to ask simple basic questions before appearing a movie that could potentially go viral on the internet? Some due diligence perhaps?

From personal life experiences, I think there is a little bit of truth in each of your sides of the story and therefore both share the fault.

blud154 Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 6:41 pm

This is the best comment Ive read so far. I’ve noticed a lot more people waking up, and it seems to be increasing day to day. There are some people who I think will never wake up till its to late.

Hey Zeus Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 11:50 am

Thrive is a personal film of one man’s journey to understand the world. I’m sure if I or any one individual made such a film it would at times seem naive and have holes. I praise Foster’s courage and choice to make the film.
Light, Love & All Thrive.

FrannyB Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 12:34 pm

A very interesting read. The fact that the sources in the movie are backing away from the film does sort of reinforce Mr. Johnson’s prior article aimed at destroying the film. But I am concerned by the Weekly’s apparent incessant drive to hate on this movie. I have to wonder if there is a personal vendetta or grudge being carried out… Because, while this is all interesting and rightly critical, why else would the filmmakers not be interviewed for this piece? Foster Gamble didn’t respond to an email request, as in one? Shouldn’t journalists keep trying, so that if he never responds you can at least say “after a dozen calls to Gamble, he didn’t respond for an interview?” While the article is intriguing, it’s entirely one-sided and should have been in the opinion section—not presented as news.

JMarko Nottell Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 2:25 pm

Them that gots-

LeeW Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 4:00 pm

Foster and Kimberly are currently on tour hosting THRIVE screenings and meeting with various solutions groups in cities around the US. They look forward to offering a full response as soon as they have time. Meanwhile, Foster never received an email requesting a comment, and they never intentionally misled anyone in the movie. This statement has been in the credits of THRIVE all along:

“The people in THRIVE do not necessarily agree with the themes, statements, claims or conclusions presented in the film or website, nor does their inclusion imply our full agreement with all of their views. The people interviewed have each contributed in some deep way to our understanding and we are grateful to them all.”

We do not know of any film- documentary or otherwise- that could get made giving final say to the people who are in it. As those disassociating acknowledge, they stand by what was quoted in THRIVE and gave full authorization for their presence in a film that was described at the time as “a bold look at what is in the way of our thriving and what we can do about it”. A fuller response is coming. Thank you for your patience.

The THRIVE team

Eric Johnson Fri, Apr 13, 2012 - 12:51 pm

For the record, I sent an email, labeled urgent, through the “Thrive” media contact page on April 6. I received a reply later that day from Karen Larsen of Larsen Associates saying “I will send this request to Foster.”

As for the weak disclaimer that appears at the end of the film, it was obviously insufficient—I don’t know of any documentary in which all of the most credible people in the film feel a need to issue a statement denouncing it. I had personal correspondence with three of them, and they all said they felt misled. I believe them.

The Third Kock Brother: Sun, Jun 03, 2012 - 11:02 pm

So Foster had the chance to reply to a thread, but not a press inquiry?

Please, tell me more about how busy he is; but also how much money he’s paying the trolls, with animal torture money.

Suzanne Taylor Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 6:37 pm

To add some info to all this, I made the documentary,  “What On Earth? Inside the Crop Circle Mystery” http://CropCircleMovie.com, and was invited to look at a rough cut of THRIVE to review the crop circle content. It concerned me that THRIVE took positions that I thought people who were interviewed would object to, and I said I thought it was urgent to confirm with them that indeed they would be happy being in the movie. That never happened, and the statement some of them just issued is the other shoe dropping.

 

 

 

 

Jo Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 7:45 pm

I’ve seen the Thrive movie and found it really intriguing, even though I didn’t follow some of it (Free Energy??  Who’s behind the Fed???  Why???) some I did and thought was BS (David Icke, kind of Icky) some I know some about and thought was great to get out in public (the science of the Torus!!! finally!!) 

  There were ideas in this film that were so far left politically that they verged on, on, on Libertarian!!  And some maybe so far right that they were, sayy… Libertarian!  And most that were somewhere in between.  If you understand how a Torus works when it ‘circulates’ you can see how different ideas can be viewed as politically different [left/right/center/none of the above/all of the above] depending on your perspective and the way you spin them.

  What strikes me as funny, is that people get so freaked out, that someone else might have a mixed bag of ideas, some of which you agree w/and some you don’t.  Next thing they’re that most evil of all beings an anti-semite!!  In watching the film, I had no impression that John Robbins, Deepak Chopra, Duane Elgin, et al—(all of whom I respect tremendously, and their right to be pissed off and speak out about it.  I hope they spoke directly to Gamble as well, and gave him their earful.)—believed in some of what others like David Icke, Nassim Harremein, etc., (don’t even remember Griffin in the film) or Foster Gamble himself seemed to believe in (or were even from the same planet, [which made me think again about the possibility of aliens and reptilians!!])

  All the film represented, was what Foster Gamble and his wife (presumably) think,—which presumably agrees w/what the interviewees had to say in the film,—not that they all agree w/him.  He said his ideas were based on his experiences and it pictured him learning from them, not vice-versa.  He may learn so much from this film experience that he’ll change at least some of his mind. (Especially once the reptilian, anti-semitic, vegetarian, conspiratorial bankers—[See, I always thought that was a left wing conspiracy?!?  Who knew?]—get to him!) 

  The film made you think, and question FG’s thinking, and your own thinking.  Now that’s some kind of alien conspiracy ‘gainst the ‘merikan way right thar!  (Oops, there I goes bein anti-southern white trash again!

  “You know, when you lose your sense of humor, it’s not funny.”

btw, thanks for the clue on what state Sacto is the capital of, wudda missed it otherwise!

Aber Aflem Thu, Apr 12, 2012 - 8:06 pm

I sensed a sort of misguided foul play from the get go- anyone asking me to “Follow The Money” but I have to pay 5$ to do it, and the dangerous carrot dangling types of political reform suggestions that in the end will leave people with- more money( yaaay—-not) seemed like a joke.
Clean energy? Yes.
Community? Yes.
Perpetuate the monetary market paradigm and continue to blame the rich rather than addressing the corrupt by design socioeconomic system itself as the root cause of our problems? HECK NO.

I want real sustainable change, and it won’t happen by throwing money at the problems.

Thanks for the article.
Have a great night/day everyone.

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