Author John Robbins, Other Progressives Denounce ‘Thrive’
The Santa Cruz–based author is joined by Deepak Chopra and others in a statement distancing themselves from the film.
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by Eric Johnson on Apr 10, 2012
John Robbins says filmmaker Foster Gamble, a friend of his, is "naive" about the political consequences of his new film 'Thrive.'
Last fall, the acclaimed environmentalist and nutrition guru John Robbins was invited to the home of his friends Foster and Kimberly Carter Gamble, near Santa Cruz, to view the Gambles’ just-completed film, Thrive. Robbins, who makes a brief appearance in the film, says he was “overwhelmed” by what he saw.
“There were parts I liked, but there were other parts that I just detested,” he recalls. “I didn’t want to be rude—we were there with our families—so I just didn't say anything.”
Thrive, which was released online in November and had its theater debut at the Del Mar last month, is an uncanny hodgepodge of pseudo-science, Utopian fantasy and veiled right-wing conspiracy theory. Strangely, it also includes onscreen interviews with a number of bona fide progressives, environmentalists and spiritual leaders.
In addition to Robbins, author of the groundbreaking Diet for a New Americain 1987, the film features conversations with Deepak Chopra, the superstar self-help author; Paul Hawken, the green entrepreneur and environmental economist; Elisabet Sahtouris, the evolutionary biologist and philosopher; Duane Elgin, the futurist and author of Voluntary Simplicity; Vandana Shiva, the physicist and advocate for sustainable agriculture; and former astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
In the months since the film’s release, Robbins says, he has been in communication with all of these folks. He wasn’t surprised to find that many of them agreed with his assessment of the film.
While they might have hoped the film would just disappear, Thrivehas become something of a Web cult phenomenon—by some estimates it’s been seen by more than 1 million people. And now they have decided to speak out.
In a just-released statement, Robbins, Chopra, Hawken, Sahtouris, Elgin, Shiva and Mitchell write that they have “grave disagreements” with some parts of the film.
“We are dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided. We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.”
Update, April 13: Two more progressives who make appearances in "Thrive" have added their names to the letter denouncing the film: Amy Goodman, the host of public radio's "Democracy Now," and John Perkins, author of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."
Talking about Thrive last week, Robbins enumerated a long list of complaints. Much of his critique is centered on the film’s politics.
“Foster says he’s not advancing a political agenda,” Robbins says, “but his sources certainly are.”
Robbins is particularly galled by the presence of G. Edward Griffin and David Icke—both of whom who are featured prominently in the film and on the Gambles’ elaborate website (thrivemovement.com). Griffin is a prominent member of the ultra-right-wing John Birch Society, while Icke has one-upped the world’s most ambitious conspiracy theorists with his notion that the world’s secret rulers are actually descended from a hybrid species of evil half-human “Reptilians.” (Ironically—or hypocritically—neither of these facts is revealed in Thrive.)
Both Griffin and Icke have long defended themselves against charges of anti-Semitism with needle-threading arguments pointing out that while the enemy is decidedly Zionist, it is only coincidentally Jewish. Similarly, although his movie echoes Joseph Goebbels’ The Eternal Jew, Gamble insists in Thrivethat the conspiracy he describes “is not a Jewish agenda.”
But Robbins isn't buying that. He says that in private correspondence, he learned that his friend was being influenced by the ideas of Eustace Mullins, whom he calls “the most anti-Semitic public figure in U.S. history.”
Foster Gamble did not respond to an email request for an interview to respond, but there is certainly evidence in Thrivethat Mullins’ views influenced him. One of the central features of the film is the supposed revelation that the Federal Reserve Bank is a criminal enterprise; Mullins is the man who gave birth to that theory, in his 1952 book The Secret of the Federal Reserve.
The following year, Mullins published his most notorious tract, "Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation," which praises the Fuhrer for his crusade against the “Jewish International bankers” who were attempting to take over the world. In subsequent books, Mullins argued that the Holocaust never happened and that the Jewish race is inherently “parasitic.” Incredibly, Mullins also insisted until his death that he was not an anti-Semite.
Robbins does not in any way accuse Gamble of bigotry—but rather of dangerous naievete. “Foster isn’t anti-Semitic,” Robbins says, “but he is listening deeply to and promulgating the ideas of Eustace Mullins.”
Privilege and Responsibility
In issuing their statement distancing themselves from Thrive, Robbins and his colleagues point out that they are “dismayed” that the Gambles refused to let them know what the film was about until the time of its public release. In interviews with the Weeklyseveral weeks ago, Paul Hawken and Elisabet Sahtouris both said Foster Gamble misrepresented the film when he asked them to participate.
Robbins says it’s clear that Gamble used him and the others to draw people to Thrive. He is distressed that the film weaves progressive ideas into its paranoid, radical libertarian narrative. But he stops short of accusing Gamble of deliberately deceiving his audience.
“Foster is extremely naïve about the political consequences of his film,” Robbins concludes.
But how could someone be so naïve? Robbins says he is in a unique position to be able to answer that question.
“The bubble of entitlement that he has lived in is almost impossible to understand if you haven’t lived in it.”
As it happens, John Robbins and Foster Gamble have lived uncannily parallel lives. Robbins was born heir to the Baskin-Robbins ice cream fortune, and Gamble was born heir to the Proctor & Gamble cosmetics fortune. Both men rejected the destinies their families had chosen for them, and both moved to Santa Cruz.
Although the men would later become friends, a couple of crucial decisions set them on very different paths. In the early 1980s, Robbins decided to disinherit himself from his family’s wealth. After his Diet for a New America, which wedded personal and environmental health, was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he went on to live a very public life, writing books and heading organizations advocating for the environment and a plant-based diet. His newest book, No Happy Cows: Dispatches from the Frontlines of the Food Revolution, was published April 1.
Gamble also walked away from his family’s business, but chose to accept his inheritance—and use it to go on the personal quest which led him to the series of extraordinary conclusions documented in Thrive.
Robbins points what he sees as a crucial error in Thrive, which he believe is the result of a blind spot caused by Gamble’s “bubble.”
“Foster wants us to follow the money, and leads us to a group of obscenely wealthy families using their extravagant wealth for ill,” he says. “But nowhere in his film does he mention the Koch brothers.”
Robbins points out that David and Charles Koch, the multi-billionaire heirs of the second-largest privately held company in the nation, who are using their vast wealth to bankroll the radical right, espouse the same libertarian agenda promoted by Thrive. (He also points out that their father, Fred C. Koch, was one of the founding members of the John Birch Society.)
Like many progressives, Robbins sees the Koch brothers as two of the most dangerous men in American politics.
“If you want to follow the money, it leads to the Koch brothers,” he says, “If Foster had gone after them. I’d be right there with him.”
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Hollywood Tomfortas Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 5:58 pm
Wow, Theodora, thank you so much for “playing the Jew card” here by bringing up that little rascal, Bernie Madoff. It’s an absolutely perfect segue into the topic of the not-so-hidden anti-Semitism explicit in the movie THRIVE as espoused by Foster Gamble’s most favorite conspiracy theorist in the film, David Icke.
First of all, did you know that Bernie Madoff and David Icke share the same birthday? How synchronistic is that? So check out what famed astrologer, Dr. Louis Turi, has to say about these Aries astrological twins:
http://www.drturi.com/star-signs/aries/
Souls born in the month of April must assume a diplomatic attitude when dealing with others and when dealing with corporate money reward those who helped them. Word of caution; dealing with any Aries soul demands anyone to be very aware of a natural drive to control all corporate financial areas due to a subconscious drive and fear of power .i.e Bernie Madoff and Conspiracy champion author, David Icke (note both souls were born April 29 or 9 days after Adolf Hitler also born in April).
Now putting aside the ironic exhilaration of Louis Turi “playing the Hitler card” against both Madoff and Icke, I would like to call attention to the article by Eric Johnson that he published here about 6 weeks ago.
http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/03/13/the_right_libertarian_agenda_at_the_heart_of_thrive
Icke, it seems, is bringing the work of the John Birch Society into the New Age, furthering its study into the Illuminati. Like the Birchers, he swears he is not an anti-Semite, yet his site is rife with attacks against the “Rothschild-Zionists” who have, among other things, surrounded President Obama.
The Icke article Eric links to above is dated Dec. 30, 2010. I would here like to add two very similar articles by Icke, the most recent one posted Jan. 29, 2012, almost 3 months after the premiere of the movie THRIVE.
Now all 3 articles are about 85% identical in their fulminations against the dreaded Zionist menace, but this next one includes the history of the Ashkenazi Jews, which is important to read in order to understand why the anti-Semitic disclaimers of Icke & Gamble are examples of classic Orwellian Newspeak.
http://www.rense.com/theelephant.html
This 3rd article has many different photos and graphics.
http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm
The point Icke makes is that the Ashkenazi Jews are not true Jews by bloodline, yet they comprise 85% of the Jewish population today. (The true Jews are the Sephardic—- sons of Jacob/Israel)
If you open your Bibles to Genesis, Chapter 10, you read the genealogy of the 3 sons of Noah: Shem, Ham & Japheth
Noah——Shem————————- Jacob/Israel = true Jews by blood (Sephardic = true S(h)emites)
Noah——Japheth—- Gomer—- Ashkenaz——Jews by conversion (ca. 740 AD as Khazars in Caucasus region)
The point of all this is to justify the Ickean logic that while all Ashkenazi Jews are not Zionist Jews, the converse does hold true: all Zionist Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. But these Ashkenazi Jews aren’t the true Jews, so therefore being against them can’t be anti-Semitic because they are pseudo-Jews, or maybe even: “Jews in Gentile clothing.”
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Hollywood Tomfortas Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 6:00 pm
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Now Theodora, I imagine you would agree with Icke and then of course with Foster Gamble when you lump Johnson & Robbins in the same boat with Madoff :
Sorry, Mr. Robbins, but given your association with both Eric Johnson and Bernie Madoff, me thinks the Gambles are keeping far better company than you are.
Now I would hazard a guess that John is as Jewish as Bernie, but then that makes them both Ashkenazi—- and therefore possibly Zionist—- Jews. (Eric doesn’t strike me as Jewish but I suppose you might consider him a Zionist dupe.)
Now one of the funniest jokes making the rounds of Jewish comedian venues in NY, (the age-old borscht circuit) after the Madoff fiasco was this one:
“Bernie Madoff! . . . Oy veh! . . . (Long pregnant pause.) . . . Where’s Adolf Hitler when you really need him?”
Now that joke is a perfect segue into the Holocaust, so let’s talk about the Holocaust now, shall we? If we both agree that Adolf and the Nazis killed 6 million Jews, fine, but all of them were Ashkenazi Jews, right? I mean, I don’t know of a single Sephardic or true Jew that the Nazis killed. So according to Ickean logic, which is also THRIVE logic, then the Nazis contributed to the THRIVE Movement by “culling the herd,” as it were, of the Zionist Jews, all those Ashkenazi Jews who weren’t really true Jews anyway, so what’s all the fuss about them then?
But golly gee-willikers, that Holocaust didn’t seem to slow down the Zionist juggernaut at all. In fact, it gave them an entire nation called Israel, Ground Zero for the NWO.
Anyway, Theodora, I want to thank you for opening the door to the discussion of the Jewish question raised by THRIVE. I don’t know if there will ever be a final solution to that Jewish question, but then, hey, lots of Jewish people laughed at that Bernie Madoff joke, so let’s take a cue from them and loosen up and lighten up around here. I for one appreciate Jewish humor, so let’s please find some humor in the situation so we can all thrive.
Hollywood Tomfortas Tue, Apr 17, 2012 - 7:29 am
Every Sunday, my itinerant private tutoring duties take me past the ABC-Disney Studios, the vast campus in downtown Burbank, and last Sunday, while driving past the wrought iron fences—- which all have the tops of their posts shaped into Mickey Mouse ears—- I experienced an amazing revelation: that what Foster Gamble has done with his movie THRIVE was to “disneyfy” and thus brighten and make optimistic the normally dark and pessimistic world of deep conspiracy theories.
And then as I gazed over at all the wrought-iron Mickey Mouse ears passing by on the fence top, I was brought back in fond childhood memory to the wonderfully optimistic era when the first Mickey Mouse club appeared on television in 1955. The Mousketeers! Yes, there was Bobby and Darlene, and Cubby and Karen and of course Annette! [Sigh!]
Suddenly I found myself singing the Mickey Mouse Club “Alma Mater” song, that always marked the end of a TV season for the Mousketeers. Please listen to the 1:25 rendition of the song here:
The Mickey Mouse Club Alma Mater Song
(as sung at the end of Season 3 in 1957.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNK5KzI48mM
I found myself singing new words to the song. Instead of “Mickey Mouse,” I was singing “Foster Thrive.” Instead of seeing the chorus of sweet and smiling Mousketeers, I saw much older but still childish Thriveteers. Instead of them all wearing Mickey Mouse Ear hats, I saw Foster Gamble and his band of Thriveteers all wearing a wondrous torus hat. (Of course when designing such a hat, we must take care with the size of the opening, lest it appear too much like a Sufi turban, but we’ll iron out the details later.)
And so “ladies and gentlemen,” now regressed by Thrivish nostalgia to “boys and girls,” I lovingly composed new lyrics to the alma mater song and now offer the lyrics here as a tribute to Foster Gamble and all his Thriveteers everywhere.
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New Lyrics for the Foster Thrive Club Alma Mater as written by Tomfortas of Hollywood. Please sing with a slow and moving tempo, that befitting a requiem, as this might be the end of the first season for the movie THRIVE)
[TECHNICAL NOTE: In singing the spelling of the individual letters, we need to cheat a little on the last name. While MOUSE has 5 letters, THRIVE has 6, but we’ll spell it out as T-H-R-I-V, and since we pronounce the letter V anyway as “vee,” then just give an extra beat of pronouncing the “ee” and that will solve the syllable problem. Oh, and at the appropriate time, Foster and all the Thriveteers are to raise their torus hats high.]
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What on earth . . . . will it take . . .
For folks like you and me? . . .
F–O–S . . . . .T–E–R . . . . T–H–R–I–Ve
Foster Thrive . . . .[Chorus]: Foster Thrive!
Foster Thrive . . . .[Chorus]: Foster Thrive!
Forever let us hold our torus high, . . . high, high, high!
Through the years . . . we’re sure to thrive . . .
Wherever we may be . . . .
F–O–S . . . . .T–E–R . . . . T–H–R–I–Ve
Foster Thrive . . . .[Chorus]: Foster Thrive!
Foster Thrive . . . .[Chorus]: Foster Thrive!
Forever let us hold our torus high, . . . high, high, high!
Now it’s time . . . to say good-bye ….
To all conspiracies . . ..
F–O–S . . . . .T–E–R . . . .
T–H–R–I–Veeeee
Bruce Tanner Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 10:14 am
@Tomfortas,
This is nothing but the most infantile kind of an attack. Anyone who would respond to this as a legitimate argument against the ideas in Thrive deserves their place in the dystopian tyranny coming if we don’t wake up.
Hollywood Tomfortas Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 6:23 pm
Well, a hearty Heil Hitler! to you my friend Bruce! Maybe in your coming THRIVE Utopia, you could have me sterilized for my infantilism.
But I bet you’d really look cute in a Thriveteers Torus Hat! Try it on, you’ll like it!
Rivka Tue, Apr 17, 2012 - 9:49 am
To go after the people who’s names are connected to Thrive and claim that all of their beliefs are those of Foster are just plain unfair. Just as you were in the film and do not share all of Foster’s beliefs…the same can go for those people.
Of course there are going to skeptics. Even I am in some ways. But there is a lot of research in this information and if anything Thrive is a very important documentary because it is getting people engaging in critical dialogue.
Federal Reserve IS a dangerous threat and there are horrible invasions of privacy and human rights going on in our world and compelling UFO information. It is easy to write this off out of fear for what one cannot understand.
My point is that whether you agree with every part of Thrive or not, you should at least watch it and give it a chance and talk with people about it. obviously things are NOT working in our society and world right now and this is probably our last real shot to fix it.
If you care about your family, your world, the universe…you will go after the information with a *truly* open, unbiased mind, decide what you can, and take what you can get out of it and share what you find.
LeeW Wed, Apr 18, 2012 - 10:36 am
Please see Foster and Kimberly’s comment below.
bob Tue, May 01, 2012 - 11:58 am
thanks… my sentiments the same…. and yes I showed THE BIG FIX in Santa Cruz and the paper never even mentioned it.. Should I go after them for being oil lobbyists?! And I DO show the new film KOCH BROTHERS EXPOSED!!!!
Lee W Wed, Apr 18, 2012 - 10:35 am
As those who have seen THRIVE know, we are committed to a bold inquiry into what is really in the way of our thriving – and to offering much more than just a tweak to our fundamentally flawed and failing system.
One of our core approaches in making THRIVE was to hear from people with differing points of view and to go for vital information regardless of the political affiliations of the source. That way we could do our own informed and critical thinking and glean the principles and facts from which true, just and lasting solutions can be created.
We encourage a transparent, respectful, informed and constructive dialog that can address the specifics of any differences some of the pioneers in THRIVE might have with us. Although the letter of dissociation raised no specific issues, we understand from John Robbins’ articles and the correspondence that he wrote soliciting others to participate in his disinformation campaign that the objections range from ET presence, to naming the reality of the Global Domination Agenda, to validating Zero Point Energy, to adhering to the Principle of Non-violation. Wow, not much of a movie left after eliminating those taboo inquiries!
We encourage everyone reading this to watch THRIVE and determine for yourselves if you agree that there is enough evidence to warrant additional dialog - about a covert agenda, about revolutionary new technologies and about bold strategies for achieving true liberty and justice for all.
We spent decades doing our homework on these issues and stand with complete integrity and clarity behind the facts represented in THRIVE. We welcome meaningful dialog and otherwise consider it dangerous to undermine the millions of us who are standing up to expose the covert global scheme amongst the elite and their secret societies and intelligence agencies to destroy the economies of countless nations, take over their resources, and kill whatever leaders or people don’t play along.
Further hit and run communications are of little interest to us, especially as it distracts from time better spent with motivated solutions groups forming all over the world who are awakening to the agenda and taking actions based on integrity and freedom rather than staying confined by outworn and deceptive political polarities.
We encourage those who have publicly dissociated to offer their best information and solutions rather than spending time trying to undermine ours.
Each of the pioneers in THRIVE were invited because their expertise in a particular area had been helpful in our gaining an understanding of the bigger picture that includes, but vastly transcends, their sector of expertise -or anyone’s political affiliation. We clearly state this in the movie:
“The people in THRIVE do not necessarily agree with the themes, statements, claims or conclusions presented in the film or website, nor does their inclusion imply our full agreement with all of their views. The people interviewed have each contributed in some deep way to our understanding and we are grateful to them all.”
We are encouraged by the millions of viewers, thousands of self-created screenings, the hundreds of THRIVE Solutions groups forming to get on with what’s needed now - informed and leveraged action. People from all over the world- Greece, Poland, India, Portugal and more have voluntarily translated THRIVE into their languages to get the important information to their cultures. THRIVE is now translated into 18 different languages and we hear from people all over the world about the value THRIVE is offering in their cultural transformations.
We also are moved by the healings being reported in families, workplaces and communities as millions are getting the bridge between worldviews and beyond unnecessary and dangerous divide-and-conquer illusions. The new conversation, about what is really going on and solutions with human rights as primary, is, fortunately, unstoppable.
As stated in the book “1984”, “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” There is a well-informed, nonviolent revolution brewing and we welcome constructive contributions from everyone ready to participate.
Foster and Kimberly Gamble
Hollywood Tomfortas Fri, Apr 20, 2012 - 1:37 pm
We welcome meaningful dialog and otherwise consider it dangerous to undermine the millions of us who are standing up to expose the covert global scheme amongst the elite and their secret societies and intelligence agencies to destroy the economies of countless nations, take over their resources, and kill whatever leaders or people don’t play along.
Whoa, Foster & Kim!!! You guys are not only “doubling down” on your beliefs with powerful “thought-terminating clichés,” you’re also starting to make death threats against all those who dare disagree with you. Well, since you guys are so “solutions-oriented,” I guess it won’t be long before you come up with a “final solution to the anti-THRIVer problem.”
Your citing of George Orwell’s 1984 is also quite telling. I remember the famous slogans in the book: “War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.”—- all expressions of “Newspeak,” where the opposite of one word is actually used to define that same word. You are doing something remarkably similar here with the phrase: “There is a well-informed, nonviolent revolution brewing . . .”
You’re actually using the word “nonviolent” to mean “violent” here, just as Orwell in 1984 used the word “war” to define “peace.” You know damn well that there is an extremely high correlation between social/political revolutions and violence, and thus you incorporate “Newspeak” here to describe your revolution as “nonviolent.” That way, when the inevitable violence finally does come to your enemies—- all those who dare criticize THRIVE—- you can act as innocently as Pontius Pilate and wash your hands of it,—- you, of course could not possibly bear any responsibility for whatever violence might arise out of your nonviolent THRIVE revolution.
George Orwell himself might be proud of your upgrading his 1984 Newspeak to 2012.
Bruce Tanner Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 10:26 am
@Tomfortas,
Did you leave the known universe? The Gambles, in their reply as quoted by you, make no threats whatsoever. They say that the Global Elites have plotted to dominate the world by any means necessary including but by no means limited to murder, and that those trying to undermine the efforts of sincere people to wake our brothers and sisters up to the situation are endangering themselves by protecting the elite planners.
Lee W Wed, Apr 18, 2012 - 11:16 am
As to the factual misrepresentations in this report, Kimberly and Foster will respond shortly.
Hollywood Tomfortas Fri, Apr 20, 2012 - 3:39 pm
Muertos on the THRIVE-Debunked blog has put up a new article about the Foster & Kimberly response above.
https://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/
. . . . The disappointing and fatuous statement by Mr. and Mrs. Gamble attempts both to minimize the controversy and to belittle the signers of the letter and critics of the film. Most notably, Mr. and Mrs. Gamble accuse John Robbins, the driving force behind the disassociation letter, of engaging in a “disinformation campaign” to discredit the film. The statement also makes clear that acceptance of the conspiracy theories advanced by Thrive as literal fact is a prerequisite for being taken seriously in the discussion of “solutions” that the makers of the film say they wish to engage in. . . .
LeeW Sun, Apr 29, 2012 - 11:09 am
Thank you Tom. Here’s Foster and Kimberly’s latest statement about John Robbins’ article for your perusal: http://www.thrivemovement.com/foster-and-kimberlys-response-to-john-robbins-critique-of-thrive
Taylor Wed, Apr 18, 2012 - 3:50 pm
I don’t see anything of substance in this article. Why not focus on the solutions and the actual information in Thrive, rather than just give vague critiques? That’s the discussion that really needs to be happening.
If you watch the movie you will see that all the people who decided to dissociate from Thrive are represented fairly and their inclusion doesn’t mean that they necessarily agree with others in the film and/or their associations.
Regarding privilege and responsibility: I’m happy to see that someone with money is putting it into a project like Thrive, rather than lying on a beach or investing it in corrupt Wall St. If more people did this, maybe we really could thrive.
hoop Wed, Apr 18, 2012 - 4:49 pm
Thanks for writing this article. I have talked directly with someone interviewed in the film and he said that he was misled. Thrive is ridiculous and harmful. Again, thanks.
Book Sat, Apr 21, 2012 - 9:39 pm
Eustace Mullins simply identified who is and has been behind the curtain.
Hollywood Tomfortas Thu, May 03, 2012 - 8:56 am
And how amazing that every last one of them is a Jew!
I mean, where was the curtain hanging? In a synagogue?
Hollywood Tomfortas Wed, Apr 25, 2012 - 11:17 am
A wry commenter on the Thrive-Debunked blog, calling himself DiscoPro_Joe, has come up with a wonderful idea for an epic/saga-themed THRIVE Video Game.
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/global-domination-agenda-debunked
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DiscoPro_Joe says:
Speaking of video games, here’s a little idea for Foster Gamble & Co: if he’d like to create a small new cash cow for Thrive, and if he’d like to appeal more to kids like Sam, then he ought to produce a “Thrive” epic-saga video game!
In the first stage of the game, you could attempt to make crop circles from an alien spacecraft without being seen or detected by humans. (Every time you get caught in the act, you’d either die, or lose a lot of hit points.)
In the second stage, you (as a human living on Earth) could build a “free energy machine” using the “special information” of the crop circles. You must do this without being seen or detected by government agents. Every slip-up will result in your assassination, or in losing lots of hit points.
At the end of the second stage, when you complete the construction of your free energy machine, the government agents will soon discover it, and send a SWAT team to your laboratory. You can use the special powers of your new machine to shoot “torus beams” at the evil invaders and win the battle!
Finally, in the third and final phase of the game, you will use your special “torus powers” to fly all over the world fighting the New World Order! The NWO is planning on destroying most of the world’s population, and no one believes you when you warn everyone, so you must take on their entire global military forces alone in a dogfight with your special powers.
After defeating the military, the final bosses reveal themselves to be reptilian aliens who will battle you in final fight scene. They have the same torus powers as you, so you must use your quick wit, speed, and skill to ultimately beat them and save the world!
Everyone on Earth then worships you like a king, and you proclaim, “Now we can all ‘thrive’ together!”
The good-guy aliens who made the crop circles would then come down to Earth by the millions to join the humans, and everyone would live happily ever after….
Well, anyway, someone ought to send this video-game idea up the chain of command to ol’ Foster, and see what he thinks. I bet kids like Sam would love it! And on crazy conspiracy-theory brainwashing, Foster could get ‘em while they’re young.
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LeeW Sun, Apr 29, 2012 - 11:11 am
To facilitate a more fruitful conversation about what THRIVE offers, we’d like to specifically address a recent critique of THRIVE, written by John Robbins, entitled Humanity and Sanity: Standing for a Thriving World (and Challenging the Movie THRIVE).
Written by Foster Gamble and Kimberly Carter Gamble, this article can be found here: http://www.thrivemovement.com/foster-and-kimberlys-response-to-john-robbins-critique-of-thrive
Hollywood Tomfortas Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 4:10 pm
OK, Lee, to facilitate a more fruitful conversation about what THRIVE fails to offer, would you like to specifically address the article you link to above and explain why Foster and Kimberly Gamble did not acknowledge John Robbins’ statements about Eustace Mullins?
I quote from Muertos’ open letter to Foster Gamble just published today on his THRIVE-Debunked blog
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/
What about Eustace Mullins?
In your statement, Mr. Gamble, you breeze casually past the objections to G. Edward Griffin by saying you don’t endorse the John Birch Society. But an even more important objection that Mr. Robbins raised was your apparent endorsement of the theories of Eustace Mullins. Mr. Robbins stated:
“Another of Thrive’s primary sources, and another of the authors Foster Gamble told me I should read in order to better understand Thrive, is Eustace Mullins. I honestly find it difficult to convey the level of anti-semitism in Mullins’s books, without it seeming that I am exaggerating. So I will let Mullins’s own words speak for themselves…”
Mr. Robbins then quoted three utterly disgusting paragraphs, dripping with hateful anti-Semitic vitriol, from this book by an author he claims you recommended highly to him. You do not comment on Eustace Mullins at all in your response. Why not?
There’s obviously something you like about Eustace Mullins, if you recommended him to Mr. Robbins. (If he was in error in claiming you did, now’s a perfect opportunity to set the record straight). This is all the more puzzling because I do not believe you are an anti-Semite; Mr. Robbins did not make that accusation either, and it’s clear that you’re not. But the fact is, once you cut out the anti-Semitism, there’s not much left of Eustace Mullins’s philosophy that stands on its own. So please, Mr. Gamble, educate us. Which parts of Eustace Mullins’s philosophy you like, and why? Furthermore, why did you not even mention this very key point of John Robbins’s criticism of Thrive in your response?
Hollywood Tomfortas Mon, Apr 30, 2012 - 8:56 pm
For those who would like to do what Foster Gamble asks, that is to perform “due diligence,” then here is a link to a 28 page booklet written by Eustace Mullins in 1968 entitled THE BIOLOGICAL JEW. I post a sample of 5 excerpts.
(What I found so ironic about these quotes is that taking them out of context as I do here actually makes them sound better. When read in their full context, they sound much worse.)
http://ia700506.us.archive.org/19/items/BiologicalJew/Biological_Jew.pdf
“The Jew has always functioned best as a panderer, a pornographer, a master of prostitution, an apostle of sexual perversion, an enemy of the prevailing sexual standards and prohibitions of the gentile community.” (page 21)
“This religious ceremony of drinking the blood of an innocent gentile child is basic to the Jew’s entire concept of his existence as a parasite, living off of the blood of the host.” (page 25)
“Treason, fraud, perversion, all the hallmarks of Jewish life among the gentiles in the Diaspora. And it is parasitism.” (page 28)
“…the existence of the Jewish parasite upon the host is a crime against nature, because its existence imperils the health and the life of the host. Thus, everything that the Jew does in connection with this parasitic existence is a criminal act, and part of an overall criminal existence.” (page 28)
“The Jews do not want anyone to know what Nazism is. Nazism is simply this – a proposal that the German people rid themselves of the parasitic Jews….And how futile it all was, because today, Jewish bankers own sixty per cent of German industry, and their holdings are protected by the occupation army of America.” (page 32)